Posts by The Rebel

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Scientism - Nothing But a Childish Insult?

by cofty in

it is not uncommon for theists to accuse rational people on this forum of "scientism".. in my opinion it is nothing but a cheap shot from those who know they lack evidence for their beliefs.

if something like "scientism" actually does exist then i have never encountered it.. here is part of an exchange from another thread - i have brought it here as it was off-topic.... scientism = claim of scientific method being universal and the only valid method of knowledge.

followers of scientism always demand scientific evidence to anything.

The Rebel

Well I don't claim any superior knowledge, I also harbor no illusions this thread will make neither Cofty nor John Mann shed their clothing....but the O.P is:-

" Scientism- Nothing But a Childish Insult?

Personally I think if anybody reads this thread, and it's 82 replies, well quite frankly I think your time would have been better spent going to the memorial. Or is that a " Childish insult"

Like all people that have an opinion, i hope we can continue to live in a world where we are not executed for our opinion...however John _Mann, If I moderated on this board I would not be so tolerant.

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Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

by cofty in

evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

The Rebel

Independent thinking John. It's even more valuable than posts from the " NCBl or Gallop" itself -)

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Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

by cofty in

evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

The Rebel

John Mann " Care to show me where my posts " indicate" a luck of knowledge about science"

C'mon John! if you want to challenge your "knowledge " on science simply visit the appropriate " science" sites. I am sure your comments would be highly respected.

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Evolution Deniers - An Endangered Species

by cofty in

evolution explains how everything descended from a common ancestor over millions of years.

creationists only seem to want to talk about what came before that common ancestor.

just for the sake of discussion let's pretend that the following is true.

The Rebel

When I knocked on the door as a J.W, then I thought I could answer any question. (How wrong I was)

Confucius, " Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous"

its interesting that written evoltion has evoloved with " 😜👌😖" and " twitter" and lovers of the written word have become an " endangered speech" 🤣😊😄🤣

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I finally get why people like to shun.

by poopie in

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it finally hit me today.

why do religions enjoy shunning.

because many people feel like being close to god makes them special however just being special is not enough for many religious people that shun they must feel extra special how?

The Rebel

In fairness :-

A) I am also a shunner of many of my former friends.

B) I have made my son a shunner by "preventing" his association with kids that I feel are a bad influence on him.

What is the difference?

Well being realistic, I think we should shun people who are not a healthy influence. ( A recent headline in the papers, was of a lady who tried to help an ex junkie, he repaid her by knifing her and her son to death)

However a closer examination of your O.P should " Note" this comment " Why do religious people like shunning?"

A) Many in the organisation are incapable of shunning a friend.

B) I recently experienced shunning from a member of my former congregation. What a message that sent out. It was a very sad statement on the individual, because they know me and I know them, and the shunning was not balanced on rational thinking.

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Why more highly educated people are less into conspiracy theories

by Mickey mouse in

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i've seen discussions here about how jehovah's witnesses seem to be prone to believing conspiracy theories... https://digest.bps.org.uk/2017/04/05/why-more-highly-educated-people-are-less-into-conspiracy-theories/.

this last paragraph seems particularly relevant:.

importantly, van prooijen said his findings help make sense of why education can contribute to “a less paranoid society” even when conspiracy theories are not explicitly challenged.

The Rebel

I believe in U.F.Os.

The reason I believe in U.F.Os is that I have seen them.

But if we look deeper at my statement," I believe in U.F.Os, I have seen them" what have I said that is questionable or makes me appear mad? In my opinion nothing, because a U.F.O is an unidentifiable flying object. However most people would assume I have said that I claimed I have seen a space ship from outer space.

I therefore think conspiracy theories are often because people have a serious question that remains unanswered to their satisfaction on the subject. In this world I am not highly educated, but I like to think I don't suffer fools gladly. I also think it reasonable in a free society to question some of the controversial topics people call " conspiracy theories"

Most often people who promote a " conspiracy theory" have an agenda, book sales, power, ego, but occasionally they have done serious research, and raised important questions that need answering, before the " conspiracy theory" is dismissed.

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Helping someone to wake up to "the truth about the truth"

by stuckinarut2 in

we all have loved one that we wish we could "wake up" from the society.. of course it is not wise to force them with information, as that could just cause their defences to go up and make them dig their heals in.. this reminded me of an illustration that the society actually used at a convention many years back:.

if we want someone to move out of their dilapidated, run down and dangerous house that they are sentimentally attached to, we cant just grab them and drag them out.

they will object.. but, if we build a brand-new, safe, secure attractive home right next door and allow them to see it be built, their curiosity will be sparked.

The Rebel

I have been very successful helping people wake up to the " truth about the truth" I put my success down to :-

A) knowing my audience.

B) Delivering a message that is appropriate to my audience.

C) Usng the power of the spoken word calmly.

D) Presenting facts.

E) Listning to response.

F) Not trying to win the argument.

G) Repeating A-F when ever the opportunity presents itself.

Its worth mentioning that most who I have awoken to the truth have:-

A) Having had their minds awoken, closed them again.

B) For personal reasons that I won't judge proven themselves " very good actors" and remained inside the organisation.

As an additional point, when people awake independently, I have helped them by being their for them. This is often when we are needed and when the real healing work begins.

I hope the above has not come across as bragging. The truth is I enjoy helping former friends or witness I meet in the street, but it actually takes very little of my time, and if I had a time sheet to report, the hours spent are not impressive.

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Amazing News!!

by The Rebel in

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my boy is going to play for watford football club!

and whilst i didn't take his revelation to seriously, i am was glad his " goal" isn't to pioneer.

:-).

The Rebel

rebelfighter....when ever I leave this site, certain posters claw me back...I admire " YOU" . I also admire your posts, because you simply put only yourself, your words and your heart on the line. I call that in-dependent thinking.

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Amazing News!!

by The Rebel in

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my boy is going to play for watford football club!

and whilst i didn't take his revelation to seriously, i am was glad his " goal" isn't to pioneer.

:-).

The Rebel

I would like to thank every one for the positive comments. My boy has now played football with Troy Deeney and other members of our beloved Watford club. However it was only part of the " Troy Deeney" foundation to raise money for charity.

It was however the biggest day of the year for me, watching Orlando ( my boy) playing with his football heroes. It was better for both of us, better than going to the memorial or winning the lottery.

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Just a quick Poll...Do you think the GB is sincere?

by NikL in

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i've been thinking about this the past few days and curious what the honest consensus is here just for fun.. show of hands,.

is the governing body.... a: completely sincere.

they really do believe what they teach.. b: somewhat sincere.

The Rebel

Just a quick answer " Beth Sarim"

Humble "Judge Rutherford" the second president of the " Watchtower society" lived as a caretaker of this ten bedroom mansion in California, whilst he awaited Abraham, David, Isaiah & Samuel to be resurrected and live in it.

Today the G.B live in shameless luxury, power and ego. To assume they know nothing of the history and failings of the society they lead is in my opinion stupid and naive.

When the GB don't benefit from their power and ego they may be sincere.